Fedora dropping default Sendmail and rsyslog install for the 20th release. Reading through the reasoning makes all the sense. But I’m still emotional.
Fedora dropping default Sendmail and rsyslog install for the 20th release. Reading through the reasoning makes all the sense. But I’m still emotional.
Because of sendmail? M-kay…
syslog will be provided by systemd now?
Zakhar Kirpichenko not because of sendmail. I’m not a sendmail fan. But because now you can’t rely on /usr/sbin/sendmail being there anymore.
Vladimir Ivashchenko rsyslog will still be provided as a package, but you’ll need to install and configure it yourself. Until then, everything will be handled by systemd, yes.
Don’t alternative MTAs put a symlink ?
Zakhar Kirpichenko Yes, they do. But that’s not the change. The change is that until now, /usr/sbin/sendmail was ALWAYS there in Fedora/Red Hat. Whether it was the actual Sendmail, or Exim/Postfix/Qmail – that’s a different story. From now on, /usr/sbin/sendmail is NOT NECESSARILY there at all.
Do they include any kind of MTA in default / minimal / net installs?
The packages are available from the install media / repo, but by default nothing will be installed.
monolith systemd taking over other packages is pissing me off much more than absence of sendmail by default.
Removing sendmail (or an MTA) from default packages actually makes sense: there’s no reason for every system to have it installed or run it at startup.
Systemd is another story. It’s probably one of the main reasons I don’t use Fedora: systemd is kinda crap.
Vladimir Ivashchenko I’m not the biggest fan of systemd either. Even though a lot of people say the change is beneficial.
Everybody keeps saying that its beneficial but every time I get a damaged unbootable machine with systemd I curse like hell :) close to impossible to debug anything without lot of Googling, however they say troubleshooting in new systemd’s is somewhet better …
They used to say that about Windows too … :)
…and then disabled safe mode by default in Windows 8.
Parallels with Windows make me even more nervous. Unix was always about building blocks, Fedora’s trend is into moving towards monolithic, yes, Windows-like.
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