{"id":16821,"date":"2012-10-11T09:35:56","date_gmt":"2012-10-11T07:35:56","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/?p=16821"},"modified":"2012-10-11T09:35:56","modified_gmt":"2012-10-11T07:35:56","slug":"proper-email-client","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/2012\/10\/11\/proper-email-client\/","title":{"rendered":"Proper email client"},"content":{"rendered":"<!-- google_ad_section_start -->\n<p>I had a brief discussion with a colleague at work today about email clients. \u00a0Once again I had to say that I do miss <a href=\"http:\/\/www.mutt.org\/\">Mutt<\/a>. \u00a0Gmail is pretty good, but it still lacking a lot of Mutt&#8217;s functionality. \u00a0And that thing that Outlook and Web Outlook thing that they force us to use at work, is horrible, no matter what you compare it to.<\/p>\n<p>As I was going through the things that I love in Mutt, I mentioned the threaded discussions and quoting. \u00a0It was a bit difficult to describe the details, so I quickly searched for a screenshot. \u00a0Here&#8217;s one.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/mutt_pager.png?ssl=1\"><img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" data-attachment-id=\"16822\" data-permalink=\"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/2012\/10\/11\/proper-email-client\/mutt_pager\/\" data-orig-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/mutt_pager.png?fit=490%2C504&amp;ssl=1\" data-orig-size=\"490,504\" data-comments-opened=\"1\" data-image-meta=\"{&quot;aperture&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;credit&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;camera&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;caption&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;created_timestamp&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;copyright&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;focal_length&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;iso&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;shutter_speed&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;&quot;}\" data-image-title=\"Mutt\" data-image-description=\"\" data-image-caption=\"\" data-large-file=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/mutt_pager.png?fit=490%2C504&amp;ssl=1\" class=\"aligncenter size-medium wp-image-16822\" title=\"Mutt\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/mutt_pager-486x500.png?resize=486%2C500&#038;ssl=1\" alt=\"\" width=\"486\" height=\"500\" srcset=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/mutt_pager.png?resize=486%2C500&amp;ssl=1 486w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/mutt_pager.png?resize=460%2C474&amp;ssl=1 460w, https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/10\/mutt_pager.png?w=490&amp;ssl=1 490w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 486px) 100vw, 486px\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p>Unlike grouped replies in MS Outlook and Gmail conversations, here you can clearly see which email is a reply to which email. \u00a0Once you get into group discussions, with multiple participants dragging the conversation into different directions, this kind of discussion view becomes extremely useful.<\/p>\n<p>And one other thing is about quoting. \u00a0Gmail at least tries to be useful. \u00a0MS Outlook is completely horrible in this department. \u00a0It quotes full messages UNDER the replies. \u00a0So if someone forwarded you an email with quotes from a long discussion, you&#8217;ll spend a day reading it. \u00a0You&#8217;ll need to scroll to the bottom of the message, then scroll up a bit to read the first message in the discussion. \u00a0Then scroll up to the second message, and scroll down while reading it. \u00a0Then scroll up again to the third message, and scroll down while reading it, and so forth. \u00a0I get dizzy just by thinking of that.<\/p>\n<p>Mutt users are from a different culture though. \u00a0(Truth be told, not only Mutt users &#8211; 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