{"id":11199,"date":"2008-05-19T19:52:21","date_gmt":"2008-05-19T16:52:21","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/?p=11199"},"modified":"2008-05-19T20:01:28","modified_gmt":"2008-05-19T17:01:28","slug":"fedora-9-before-and-after","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/2008\/05\/19\/fedora-9-before-and-after\/","title":{"rendered":"Fedora 9 : before and after"},"content":{"rendered":"<!-- google_ad_section_start -->\n<p>I have recently upgraded my laptop to <a href=\"http:\/\/fedoraproject.org\/\">Fedora 9<\/a>.\u00a0 Those of you who come often to this blog or follow me on Twitter, know that I&#8217;ve been waiting for this release like for nothing else.\u00a0 Two technologies in particular &#8211; KDE 4 and Firefox 3 &#8211; were the center of my focus.\u00a0 Of course, I could updated them separately and tried them earlier, but I wanted to follow the path of the distribution.<\/p>\n<p>The upgrade itself went fast and easy.\u00a0 But starting with the first reboot, I was getting more and more negative towards the new release.\u00a0 While booting for the first time, I got two messages, notifying me that wpa_suppclient service and CUPS daemon failed to start.\u00a0 While I don&#8217;t care much about printers, wireless connectivity is vital for me, so that was a bit discouraging.<\/p>\n<p>The login screen.\u00a0 It was changed quite a bit, and I didn&#8217;t like it much.\u00a0 Logging in.\u00a0 Somehow I ended up in Gnome, even though my desktop environment was KDE for the last 7 years or so.\u00a0 Logout.\u00a0 Switch into long awaited KDE 4.\u00a0 From the first look it was beautiful, even though not quite for my tastes.\u00a0 Surely, I&#8217;d need to reconfigure and change a few things. 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It&#8217;s not love yet, but we&#8217;ll grow into each other.\u00a0 That is if KDE 4 won&#8217;t get its act together fast.\u00a0 Oh, and Gnome has a share of its, sometimes very weird, problems, but it is very usable, fast, and intuitive.\u00a0\u00a0 As for Firefox 3, I spent half a day going through available addons and I managed to find enough of substitutes to my old tools.\u00a0 Some are better, some are not.\u00a0 Some are my old tools, but in un-official alpha and beta versions.\u00a0 But overall, it looks like I will survive.<\/p>\n<p>Back to the Fedora 9 release.\u00a0 I don&#8217;t remember what exactly went wrong back when Red Hat Linux 7 was released, but I remember that there were a lot of issues.\u00a0 My memory has a strong association of Red Hat 7 and Linux distribution release gone wrong.\u00a0 I think now that association is going to be updated with Fedora 9 experience.<\/p>\n<p>Breaking the much used functionality is bad.\u00a0 Taking away tools people use is bad.\u00a0 Releasing unstable software without proper fall-back (and I don&#8217;t consider Gnome to be a proper fall-back for KDE) is bad.\u00a0 I think that both KDE 4 and Firefox 3 should have been offered as options, not as defaults.<\/p>\n<p>Then, only a day after Fedora 9 was released, I had to download 140 packages of updates.\u00a0 That wasn&#8217;t a big problem, but it was yet another sign of how shaky things are.\u00a0 The updates fixed the CUPS issue, but there was also a new kernel update, which broke GRUB and rendered my laptop unbootable.\u00a0 Gladly, I had the DVD nearby and I still remember how to use the rescue mode.\u00a0 But it&#8217;s not how things are supposed to be.<\/p>\n<p>As I said, I am finally glad that I got a chance to give a look at other options and use different tools, but I am very disappointed with this release.\u00a0 Things like this make advocating open source and Fedora Linux harder.\u00a0 Things like this undermine users&#8217; trust in the distribution.\u00a0 They should not happen again.<\/p>\n<p>P.S.: I am by far not the only one having issues with this release.\u00a0 Check comments to the <a href=\"http:\/\/linux.slashdot.org\/article.pl?sid=08\/05\/13\/165239&#038;from=rss\">Slashdot announcements<\/a> or <a href=\"http:\/\/blogsearch.google.com\/blogsearch?q=fedora%209\">posts on the blogosphere<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>P.P.S:\u00a0 If you are a Fedora user who were planning to upgrade, I suggest to wait until Fedora 10 or at least for a few weeks until updates will fix the most obvous issues.<\/p>\n<!-- google_ad_section_end -->\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<!-- google_ad_section_start -->\n<p>I have recently upgraded my laptop to Fedora 9.\u00a0 Those of you who come often to this blog or follow me on Twitter, know that I&#8217;ve been waiting for this release like for nothing else.\u00a0 Two technologies in particular &#8211; KDE 4 and Firefox 3 &#8211; were the center of my focus.\u00a0 Of course, I &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/2008\/05\/19\/fedora-9-before-and-after\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Fedora 9 : before and after<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n<!-- google_ad_section_end -->\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_feature_clip_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_publicize_message":"","jetpack_publicize_feature_enabled":true,"jetpack_social_post_already_shared":false,"jetpack_social_options":{"image_generator_settings":{"template":"highway","default_image_id":0,"font":"","enabled":false},"version":2},"jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false,"_links_to":"","_links_to_target":""},"categories":[1,6,133,62],"tags":[859,2351,2912,1529],"keyring_services":[],"class_list":["post-11199","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-general","category-linux","category-sysadmin","category-technology","tag-experience","tag-fedora-linux","tag-open-source","tag-releases"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 4.9.8 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"I have recently upgraded my laptop to Fedora 9. 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