{"id":11131,"date":"2008-03-30T17:08:25","date_gmt":"2008-03-30T14:08:25","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/?p=11131"},"modified":"2010-03-29T23:14:36","modified_gmt":"2010-03-29T21:14:36","slug":"the-art-of-the-argument","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/mamchenkov.net\/wordpress\/2008\/03\/30\/the-art-of-the-argument\/","title":{"rendered":"The art of the argument"},"content":{"rendered":"<!-- google_ad_section_start -->\n<p>Paul Graham wrote yet another excellent essey &#8211; &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.paulgraham.com\/disagree.html\">How to Disagree<\/a>&#8220;.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The web is turning writing into a conversation. Twenty years ago, writers wrote and readers read. The web lets readers respond, and increasingly they do\u2014in comment threads, on forums, and in their own blog posts.<br \/>\nMany who respond to something disagree with it. That&#8217;s to be expected. Agreeing tends to motivate people less than disagreeing. And when you agree there&#8217;s less to say. You could expand on something the author said, but he has probably already explored the most interesting implications. When you disagree you&#8217;re entering territory he may not have explored.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>He then proceeds with identifying a hierarchy of disagreements.\u00a0 In his view, the forms of disagreement are:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>DH0: Name-calling.<\/li>\n<li>DH1: Ad Hominem.<\/li>\n<li>DH2: Responding to Tone.<\/li>\n<li>DH3: Contradiction.<\/li>\n<li>DH4: Counterargument.<\/li>\n<li>DH5: Refutation.<\/li>\n<li>DH6: Refuting the Central Point.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>Paul&#8217;s post reminded me of something &#8211; a course of formal logic back in college.\u00a0 One of the things that course covered was <a title=\"Wikipedia : List of fallacies\" href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/List_of_fallacies\">a list of fallacies<\/a>, which are often used in arguments either intentionally or not.\u00a0 Of course, the complete list of fallacies is much longer and will take more time to memorize and understand.\u00a0 But, if you wish to win and rule online (and offline) arguments, you should at least get familiar with those.<\/p>\n<p>Paul organizes hist list of disagreement forms into a hierarchy. 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