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• 1 M. Douglas Wray // Dec 5, 2006 at 3:10 am

  Wow. That IS pretty lopsided. MSN really doesn’t seem to *like* Google. Golly. Wonder WHY. (laughing)

• 2 Leonid Mamchenkov // Dec 5, 2006 at 3:49 am

  Why … hmm … tough question! :)

• 3 igor // Dec 13, 2006 at 4:06 pm

  Google is also not so fair in competition:
  http://jeremy.zawodny.com...bl.....08122.html

• 4 Leonid Mamchenkov // Dec 13, 2006 at 5:25 pm

  Igor,

  I’m sure there is “unfairness” on all parties involved. Google though has maintaned it’s reputation so far. Even the example that you link to has a note that the page was corrected.

  Thanks for the link anyway.

• 5 Igor // Dec 14, 2006 at 1:36 pm

  Leo,
  I am not talking about reputation here. I am talking that in the business with big money like this everybody makes dirty tricks and Google is no exception, mo matter have they maintained their reputation or not.

• 6 Leonid Mamchenkov // Dec 14, 2006 at 1:51 pm

  Igor,

  Few people care about dirty tricks, unless they affect them personally. Using the same design for the “upgrade your browser” page, from this point of view, is pretty innocent. Silly at beast, as this is easy to notice and easy to fix. Modifying search results without disclosing that they were modified and how they were modified is something I personall would mark as “are you nuts?!!!”. :)

• 7 Grigory // Dec 22, 2006 at 10:57 am

  Yes, you are right Leonid, it is dirty trick.Your dirty trick.

  First, Google’s 534,000,000 is a total number of entries without omitted ones. Actual number of displayed entries is just 139. While MSN’s 751 is not number of displayed entries but number of pages. Actual number of displayed entries without omitted ones is more then 7000 (more then 70 pages multiplied by 10 entries per page).

  Second, number of displayed entries for “Microsoft” from MSN is not 80,461,360. It is “886 pages”.

  Let, put everything what we know in one place:
  “microsoft” via Google – 139 displayed results
  “google” via Google - 295 displayed results (50% difference)
  “google” via MSN – around 7140 displayed results
  “microsoft” via MSN – around 8860 displayed results (20% difference)

  These results suggest two conclusions:
  1. Google search results are tainted, and thus are less useful.
  2. MSN indexes an order of magnitude more pages, and thus is more useful.

• 8 Grigory // Dec 22, 2006 at 11:41 am

  Sorry, in second line I made a mistake. I wanted to say that Google’s 534,000,000 is a total number of entries with omitted ones.

• 9 Alexey // Dec 22, 2006 at 12:00 pm

  Grigory,
  You’ve also made another mistake: MSN’s 751 is the actual number of results, not pages - try going to the last page of the search results. And here is the last page of “google via google” results.

  So - for “google” term it’s 76 pages in google and 72 pages in MSN. More or less the same…

• 10 Leonid Mamchenkov // Dec 22, 2006 at 12:58 pm

  Guys,

  please note that you are talking about something that was posted more than two weeks ago, and that had a lot of hype on the web (Slashdot and everything).

  I made another check of the results now, and they aren’t the same with what I saw last time.

• 11 Grigory // Dec 22, 2006 at 3:37 pm

  Yes, my mistake.

  And Alexei, try to check google.com (not .co.uk)
  Let’s summarize current numbers (in pages).
  Google.com searching “Google” - 30 pages
  Google.com searching “Microsoft” - 14 pages
  Google.co.uk searching “Google” - 74 pages
  Google.co.uk searching “Microsoft” - 83 pages
  MSN searching “Google” - 72 pages
  MSN searching “Microsoft” - 89 pages

  and pure results:
  MSN.co.uk searching “Google” - 66,084,605 results
  MSN.co.uk searching “Microsoft” - 82,841,160 results

  No allegation against Microsoft, one potential against Google.
  So, Leonid, it is not about numbers of Microsoft and Google. It is about unique feature of Open Source Community to constantly build allegation against Microsoft. And this feature really unique because you will not wake up tomorrow and read that Google uses dirty tricks because for “Microsoft” as it shows two times less entries. And Google really shows two times less entries for “Microsoft”.

• 12 Leonid Mamchenkov // Dec 22, 2006 at 4:12 pm

  Grigory,

  First of all, as I said, the post is more than two weeks old and results are different now from what I have seen two weeks ago. Check the Slashdot story for more comments and numbers from other people. I wasn’t the only one who saw it.

  Secondly, I don’t see how Open Source Community is even relevant here. I’ve heard allegations against Microsoft from a lot of people. Most of them had nothing to do with Open Source Community.

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